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EPA Pressured to Drop Ethanol in Gas Requirement

Fox News -- Corn prices are up 60 percent this summer, Christopher Hurt, a Purdue University economic professor, estimates. And now Democratic governors from Maryland, Delaware, North Carolina and Arkansas have joined ranchers, poultry farmers and the United Nations director-general for food and agriculture in asking the Environmental Protection Agency to waive the federal requirement that gasoline contain 10 percent ethanol.
"It's universally acknowledged that ethanol is raising the price of food," Kenneth Green of the American Enterprise Institute said. "It's not lowering the price of gas. In fact, it may be raising the price of gas, and it's having a devastating environmental effect in terms of coastal pollution."Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/16/epa-is-pressured-to-drop-etha

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sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,018 Points:601,635 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 4:10:13 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse End the ethanol mandate.
jethro5000 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,892 Points:394,160 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 1:51:01 PM Ignore jethro5000 Report Abuse Not enough corn this year due to drought. Corn prices are way up.
kyjlh Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,628 Points:655,205 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 9:12:37 AM Ignore kyjlh Report Abuse need new EPA
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,978 Points:2,120,315 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 8:20:49 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse What a concept!
BEGTWO Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,952 Points:726,840 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 8:03:05 AM Ignore BEGTWO Report Abuse We will see
jrs4125 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,773 Points:594,670 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 7:08:04 AM Ignore jrs4125 Report Abuse Alrighty then
CrappieFool All-Star Author Alabama Posts:785 Points:572,020 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 12:19:20 AM Ignore CrappieFool Report Abuse @CarolinaDragon I wish it were that simple. It isn't. Ethanol is simply a bad idea on all counts as to being fuel. For now. Gas prices would not drop with the elimination of ethanol. Too many other factors influence the price of gas at the pump. I agree with the sentiment though. I hate to see all that ethanol not going into making great Bourbon really cheap! (grin)
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,792 Points:646,535 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 12:16:53 AM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse I do not like having ethanol in my vehicle's fuel formulation but I don't know if some of the crop that has been damaged by the drought would only be good for ethanol production anyway.
CarolinaDragon Champion Author South Carolina Posts:6,535 Points:740,635 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 12:01:23 AM Ignore CarolinaDragon Report Abuse Reduce ethanol and watch prices drop at the pump.
canfranchiser Veteran Author Riverside Posts:418 Points:397,685 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:57:20 PM Ignore canfranchiser Report Abuse cut the ethanol requirement to 5% or less, that will take the pressure off the corn market.
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,080 Points:1,734,140 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:56:12 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse no food forfuel
millerin Champion Author Orlando Posts:2,322 Points:483,915 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:54:54 PM Ignore millerin Report Abuse hmm...
CrappieFool All-Star Author Alabama Posts:785 Points:572,020 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:53:13 PM Ignore CrappieFool Report Abuse @screwembak Problem is that the states are responsible for checking and regulating gas stations as to pumping rates and gas quality. I could be wrong about that, but without a funded federal mandate, the costs would come directly from state coffers. Not arguing the point you made, just pointing out that someone has to pay for the bureaucratic red tape and AFAIK, it isn't the federal government at the pumps.
brutherruther Veteran Author Fort Worth Posts:435 Points:237,540 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:51:26 PM Ignore brutherruther Report Abuse Ok
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,866 Points:1,615,135 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:50:44 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse This is as close to a no-brainer as one can get. Ethanol in gasoline was a bad idea from the get-go. Diverting corn to fuel raises food prices, lowers fuel mileage and ultimately increases the consumption of petroleum. Don’t just waive the mandate; repeal it.
Screwembak Champion Author Calgary Posts:16,981 Points:3,352,210 Joined:Dec 2003	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:48:58 PM Ignore Screwembak Report Abuse Let start properly labelling blended gas so people know exactly what they are buying. If your milk was 10% arsenic that would have to be labelled wouldn't it? Personally I don't mind 5 or 10% ethanol but would like to know exactly what the content is. State to state the difference can be huge.
CrappieFool All-Star Author Alabama Posts:785 Points:572,020 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:48:56 PM Ignore CrappieFool Report Abuse NObama 2012 It's not the final answer, but a damn good start!
msienkiewicz Champion Author Maryland Posts:8,483 Points:1,600,000 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:47:29 PM Ignore msienkiewicz Report Abuse "Once it's entrenched, you have a locked-in lobby that won't let you pry it out," Green said. "No matter that your environmental groups have walked away from it, international groups have walked away from it. Everybody has acknowledged it's bad public policy, but it's dug in like a tick." Let's find some way to get rid of this....
CrappieFool All-Star Author Alabama Posts:785 Points:572,020 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:47:28 PM Ignore CrappieFool Report Abuse @abcdMA Although I agree, that sounds too much like Finding Nemo's "Fish are not food". LOL!
drz614 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:2,314 Points:600,545 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:47:17 PM Ignore drz614 Report Abuse a govt agency admitting a mistake in policy? yeah, that's gonna happen. our govt is way out of touch with reality. remember, the private sector is doing just fine.
firefly09 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,502 Points:717,675 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:46:37 PM Ignore firefly09 Report Abuse Get rid of Ethanol!!!!!!
CrappieFool All-Star Author Alabama Posts:785 Points:572,020 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:46:16 PM Ignore CrappieFool Report Abuse "The EPA rally needs to listen to the American people as well as the farmers. Cut back the ethanol, really what could it hurt?" @tekkersmom57 The "corn farming" states are the ONLY states NOT asking to eliminate the ethanol mandate. Keep up... ;-)
SavALot Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:8,489 Points:1,714,760 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:44:01 PM Ignore SavALot Report Abuse Pressure coming from all sides on this one
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,937 Points:1,577,905 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:43:47 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse food is not fuel
SquawBear Champion Author Fresno Posts:6,881 Points:1,144,925 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:43:07 PM Ignore SquawBear Report Abuse Let's drop the Gas in Ethanol.
Tekkersmom57 Champion Author Syracuse Posts:1,894 Points:704,115 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:41:10 PM Ignore Tekkersmom57 Report Abuse The EPA rally needs to listen to the American people as well as the farmers. Cut back the ethanol, really what could it hurt?
cokezero All-Star Author Philadelphia Posts:830 Points:401,510 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:40:24 PM Ignore cokezero Report Abuse please do
Prodaddy Champion Author Houston Posts:8,395 Points:1,898,110 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:39:12 PM Ignore Prodaddy Report Abuse Lets hope it sticks
itsjustme719 All-Star Author Hamilton Posts:612 Points:600,520 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:39:00 PM Ignore itsjustme719 Report Abuse There are sources of ethanol other than corn.
AKmailman Champion Author Alaska Posts:5,648 Points:1,560,490 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:37:03 PM Ignore AKmailman Report Abuse If it was a real EPA they would have never allowed it in the first place what part of 'protection" don't they understand ?
n3tbc Veteran Author Wilmington Posts:355 Points:332,825 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:36:36 PM Ignore n3tbc Report Abuse DROP IT NOW!!!
Mermaan Champion Author Boston Posts:1,572 Points:421,235 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:34:13 PM Ignore Mermaan Report Abuse Fox
MG_Sputnik Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:7,320 Points:1,963,330 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:34:08 PM Ignore MG_Sputnik Report Abuse EPA SUCKS!
davenles Champion Author Texas Posts:3,211 Points:721,585 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:30:02 PM Ignore davenles Report Abuse Sounds like a reasonable fix.
CrappieFool All-Star Author Alabama Posts:785 Points:572,020 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:28:25 PM Ignore CrappieFool Report Abuse Make more good BOURBON!!! (grin)
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,320 Points:1,640,870 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:25:47 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse KILL ETHANOL NOW!
bston Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,830 Points:644,975 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:21:08 PM Ignore bston Report Abuse Ha ha!
gmcgas Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,968 Points:1,716,345 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:21:04 PM Ignore gmcgas Report Abuse afraid the EPA has too much power. can't vote them out in Nov.
Cableman66 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:2,125 Points:493,620 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:20:20 PM Ignore Cableman66 Report Abuse Corn was food before fuel. It needs to stay that way.
mdskier Champion Author Maryland Posts:9,947 Points:1,784,730 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:16:58 PM Ignore mdskier Report Abuse We need to drop Ethanol IMMEDIATELY on an emergency basis until the price of corn comes way down.
SparkieMi Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:3,277 Points:591,330 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:16:22 PM Ignore SparkieMi Report Abuse Interesting........
mcmonsta Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,237 Points:821,245 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:15:34 PM Ignore mcmonsta Report Abuse if we can't eliminate it, then delay it for a set time so we can eat!
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,815 Points:821,260 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:11:26 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse Wonder if anyone at the EPA cares???
moonrocks Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,069 Points:1,062,440 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:08:17 PM Ignore moonrocks Report Abuse Just do it, and now.
Marson Champion Author Scranton Posts:8,962 Points:2,081,085 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:07:05 PM Ignore Marson Report Abuse Ethanol needs to go the way of NTBE. They are both toxic in their own way.
jpgilmor Champion Author Houston Posts:2,175 Points:606,650 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:05:47 PM Ignore jpgilmor Report Abuse Gee, guess food for fuel is not such a great idea after all.
carpenter4u Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,436 Points:618,645 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:04:30 PM Ignore carpenter4u Report Abuse Will hopefully have a much greater chance in January
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,588 Points:1,774,820 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:04:11 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse EPA cares not a whit about cost. Their agenda would price all energy out of reach. Their Luddite antipathy for America and its prosperity are the root of their rancor. No pressure will influence the EPA. That aside, the EPA is not the one mandating ethanol. Congress has. They will not stop the ethanol madness anytime soon. I hope it goes away. Feed zee korn to zee aneemalz not zee karz!
petrpuck All-Star Author Hamilton Posts:559 Points:420,360 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:03:38 PM Ignore petrpuck Report Abuse good
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,214 Points:874,980 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 11:03:02 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse The EPA just assumed the power and no one (the legislature) is doing anything about it. The Obama administration appointed the EPA chief, so they are not about to do something about reining them in. We need to stop using ethanol in gasoline now!