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EPA blasted for requiring oil refiners to add type of fuel that's merely hypothetical

Fox News -- Federal regulations can be maddening, but none more so than a current one that demands oil refiners use millions of gallons of a substance, cellulosic ethanol, that does not exist.

"As ludicrous as that sounds, it's fact," says Charles Drevna, who represents refiners. "If it weren't so frustrating and infuriating, it would be comical."

And Tom Pyle of the Institute of Energy Research says, "the cellulosic biofuel program is the embodiment of government gone wild."

Refiners are at their wit's end because the government set out requirements to blend cellulosic ethanol back in 2005, assuming that someone would make it. Seven years later, no one has.

"None, not one drop of cellulosic ethanol has been produced commercially. It's a phantom fuel," says Pyle. "It doesn't exist in the market pl

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E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,015 Points:820,970 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Aug 15, 2012 4:08:54 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse The EPA continues to insist on fining refiners for failure to add cellulosic ethanol to gasoline, despite the fact that no cellulosic ethanol is available. The API has now filed a second action against the EPA over this issue. Second suit
E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,015 Points:820,970 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 5:01:23 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse rjhenn claims: "Interesting that these requirements that so many are moaning about were set out by Congress in 2005 (the Energy Policy Act of 2005). Who was in charge then? Oh, wait, that was the Republicans!" The real story here, in case you might have missed it, is about "practical", not political. Back in 2005, when the policy was first considered, no cellulosic ethanol was being produced, although the technology to do it goes back to the era of WWI, and German technology. In 2005, the DOE acknowledged that research was necessary in order to make cellulosic ethanol "practical". Today, while the same technology is still available, it costs roughly twice as much to make a gallon of ethanol from cellulose, rather than corn, which is why there is no commercially available cellulosic ethanol available. Recognizing that despite efforts to subsidize research to make cellulosic ethanol practical, it still remains too expensive by a factor of 2, the EPA has twice reduced the cellulosic mandate. Since the ethanol STILL isn't available yet, it really needs to reduce the requirement and fine to zero until it is. Fining fuel producers for failing to add an unavailable component just raises our fuel cost unnecessarily. Don`t we already pay enough for a gallon of fuel?
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,451 Points:2,230,900 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 12:50:35 AM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse Interesting that these requirements that so many are moaning about were set out by Congress in 2005 (the Energy Policy Act of 2005). Who was in charge then? Oh, wait, that was the Republicans!
E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,015 Points:820,970 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 7:44:59 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse SandeeC asks a reasonable question: "Why is it that whenever something to do with gas and/or oil is involved that governments, companies, industries, etc. etc. that the cart is always put before the horse?" Because the policy to require cellulosic ethanol was conceived to meet a politcal, rather than a practical agenda, AND, the bill was drafted by ethanol interests.
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,008 Points:599,685 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 5:43:29 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,047 Points:2,346,485 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 3:48:48 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse If cellulosic ethanol is not being produced and it is required, then it can't be added. So what's the problem? Don't worry, Be happy! Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe and reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,237 Points:612,020 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:38:55 AM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse wow
KrsnaDragon Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,412 Points:532,275 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:12:34 AM Ignore KrsnaDragon Report Abuse Old 'news'.
nomad228 Champion Author Columbus Posts:3,117 Points:575,140 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:41:01 AM Ignore nomad228 Report Abuse epa trying to shut down coal mines that produce 14 percent of americas electrical power while laying off 9000 power company workers and that does not include the 14 mines they are trying to shut down in west by god virginny.stupid epa killing america while driving up power cost exponentially.if the mines do not get this scrub their coal. : ) pure genius add costs to coal production so coal power costs ared riven up even if they comply witht he epa.this is almost as laughable as making companies produce less carbon dioxide,while all plant life on the planet needs it to produce air/oxygen which humans need to live,not to mention the plant life we eat and also our livestock consumes that we eat.just shows the pure genius of the epa.i wish someone would audit the epa and see if they are even following these asinine rules they are trying to make others follow.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,858 Points:1,614,020 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:37:41 AM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse Too bad ethanol of any sort has not become a “phantom fuel.” Better off without it.
SparkieMi Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:3,268 Points:589,400 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:27:33 AM Ignore SparkieMi Report Abuse Interesting.....
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,990 Points:2,527,310 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:26:57 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse BS
KhelbenArunson Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,451 Points:718,840 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:26:19 AM Ignore KhelbenArunson Report Abuse well it sounds like someone needs to fix that regulation then.
eightiesgod Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,385 Points:1,233,835 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:25:42 AM Ignore eightiesgod Report Abuse old
SaturnSC Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,051 Points:833,475 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:24:43 AM Ignore SaturnSC Report Abuse Blast em
kusanagisama All-Star Author Texas Posts:708 Points:191,525 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:23:52 AM Ignore kusanagisama Report Abuse Ok.
SparkieMi Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:3,268 Points:589,400 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:21:41 AM Ignore SparkieMi Report Abuse Interesting......
CDMAuto Champion Author Connecticut Posts:3,798 Points:754,890 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:19:33 AM Ignore CDMAuto Report Abuse ARE WE REALLY FREE? EPA dose not think so......
unclemattie Veteran Author Atlanta Posts:289 Points:459,905 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:18:07 AM Ignore unclemattie Report Abuse "Man is not free unless government is limited." - Ronald Reagan
KnoxGasPriceSpy Champion Author Knoxville Posts:140,879 Points:921,770 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:17:53 AM Ignore KnoxGasPriceSpy Report Abuse omg is right and he can take the EPA with him...
jrschl Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,972 Points:682,040 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:16:10 AM Ignore jrschl Report Abuse They should be. Chu must be calling all of the shots now...
thuathienhue Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,458 Points:634,540 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:14:50 AM Ignore thuathienhue Report Abuse EPA is going to far. Remember to vote in the next election for a change for the better.
dancygreen Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,068 Points:486,735 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:13:38 AM Ignore dancygreen Report Abuse omg
vibdata Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,090 Points:849,300 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:11:26 AM Ignore vibdata Report Abuse The EPA is one of the worst examples of its kind. It's the last place you'd expect to find any intelligence trying to protect anyone's environment.
monarch57 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,629 Points:135,780 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:10:33 AM Ignore monarch57 Report Abuse We don't need any more crap in gas.
tatker Champion Author Asheville Posts:1,971 Points:560,805 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:10:22 AM Ignore tatker Report Abuse EPA smells like beef and cheese
rawdog1313 Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,309 Points:1,643,880 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:10:06 AM Ignore rawdog1313 Report Abuse I don't believe anything from Faux News!
TheeRedRam Champion Author Hartford Posts:3,168 Points:673,610 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:07:00 AM Ignore TheeRedRam Report Abuse Hummmmm
TFowler513 Champion Author Memphis Posts:3,824 Points:1,414,860 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:07:00 AM Ignore TFowler513 Report Abuse It would all be a moot issue if we all would start to exploit all alternatives available.
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,697 Points:539,020 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:06:45 AM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse More stupidity!
Jumpmaster82 All-Star Author South Carolina Posts:921 Points:850,200 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:01:41 AM Ignore Jumpmaster82 Report Abuse EPA should go away... with obama
menagerie1013 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,365 Points:690,740 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:01:33 AM Ignore menagerie1013 Report Abuse Typical governmental FUBAR.
hank1326 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:8,919 Points:1,734,785 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:00:01 AM Ignore hank1326 Report Abuse Too much government, too little common sense.
1brendle Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:1,789 Points:133,675 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:59:45 PM Ignore 1brendle Report Abuse surprise, surprise
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,275 Points:2,267,590 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:58:34 PM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse sounds like ridiculous government interference
billwho All-Star Author El Paso Posts:524 Points:253,690 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:58:14 PM Ignore billwho Report Abuse Outstanding work by another government agency. I know how to produce it, but I have been calling it "mung".
ItsMorph Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:33,443 Points:3,187,130 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:56:26 PM Ignore ItsMorph Report Abuse FINALLY, something to blame Bush for!
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,625 Points:3,495,680 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:53:48 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse Bush didn't get everything right either. The EPA is very overbearing and is a heavy weight on the economy.
WRX1 Champion Author Providence Posts:9,885 Points:1,252,085 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:52:29 PM Ignore WRX1 Report Abuse Hard to believe that FoxNews left out one little detail: The EPA is just trying to follow the rule in an act signed into law by George W. Bush, the 2005 Energy Policy Act (H.R. 6). You can look it up.
sit Champion Author Cleveland Posts:5,210 Points:1,933,920 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:51:30 PM Ignore sit Report Abuse ok
scubadaniel Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,426 Points:693,045 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:50:05 PM Ignore scubadaniel Report Abuse EPA... Today's communist trying to destroy capitalism
5kvdave All-Star Author Los Angeles Posts:688 Points:350,000 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:48:45 PM Ignore 5kvdave Report Abuse EPA SUCKS!!!!
btex49 Champion Author Austin Posts:2,720 Points:531,080 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:46:08 PM Ignore btex49 Report Abuse Get government micromanagement out of our lives!
mgune9 All-Star Author Dallas Posts:914 Points:200,395 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:40:32 PM Ignore mgune9 Report Abuse EPA is fast becoming a big and costly political joke
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:2,546 Points:1,687,165 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:40:30 PM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse And some bureaucrat wanted to crucify Oil Company Officials. Let the one who i8s withgout brains make the rules ;-}
jpgilmor Champion Author Houston Posts:2,170 Points:604,925 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:35:19 PM Ignore jpgilmor Report Abuse Interedting
trytogetby All-Star Author Cincinnati Posts:864 Points:214,000 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:33:59 PM Ignore trytogetby Report Abuse Where are the physical people that make up the EPA. They need to have a mental test of the abilities .
MDTDriver Champion Author California Posts:9,734 Points:2,156,595 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:30:57 PM Ignore MDTDriver Report Abuse MONEY MONE and on.
boatmen Champion Author New York Posts:3,085 Points:623,555 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:26:00 PM Ignore boatmen Report Abuse EPA needs to be shut down
DrLyon Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,655 Points:1,212,805 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:21:58 PM Ignore DrLyon Report Abuse Rethink...