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New Florida group promoting natural gas vehicles

Business Week -- Fifteen companies are banding together to promote the use of natural gas-powered vehicles in Florida and seek incentives from the state.

They announced formation of the Florida Natural Gas Vehicle Coalition on Tuesday. The group touts natural gas as a clean, efficient alternative to gasoline and diesel.

Its members include TECO/Peoples Gas, Florida Natural Gas, and a pair of beer distributors, Champion Brands and J.J. Taylor Cos.

Coalition chairman Eric Criss said a study done for the group shows state incentives could create 10,000 jobs, $300 million in new wages and $1 billion in economic output over 20 years.

Rep. Lake Ray, a Jacksonville Republican, supports the group's goals and said he expects lawmakers to consider incentives when they meet in regular session next year.

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Submitted Aug 16, 2012 By: skb69sa

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fracknsave Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,666 Points:58,000 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:53:20 PM Ignore fracknsave Report Abuse Better that, than EV's
me2too4c Veteran Author New York Posts:250 Points:237,910 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 8:47:10 AM Ignore me2too4c Report Abuse until we can get big oil under control they wont let natural gas or electic distribution hubs take their cash cows away !!
sljbc475 Champion Author Tucson Posts:4,215 Points:871,400 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 8:36:57 AM Ignore sljbc475 Report Abuse All states need natural gas vehicles.
Agarre Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,335 Points:263,785 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 8:21:25 AM Ignore Agarre Report Abuse someone already started, GOOD
badbonita Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,219 Points:1,352,735 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 8:16:06 AM Ignore badbonita Report Abuse A pair of beer distributors???
ClarkSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,073 Points:1,010,430 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 7:43:39 AM Ignore ClarkSC Report Abuse Where is the distribution network?
ReddevilNO Champion Author New Orleans Posts:3,365 Points:580,340 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 7:02:57 AM Ignore ReddevilNO Report Abuse Whatever.
ktyson13 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,541 Points:396,325 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 6:51:45 AM Ignore ktyson13 Report Abuse Natural gas with hydrogen fuel cells would quickly give the US energy independence.
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:9,992 Points:1,740,860 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 6:47:15 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse More self serving interest groups is what this country needs. Wanna try to get a Neuton Battery electric mower? You can't cause they are completely sold out for 2012. Point is: f these unnatural gas promoters. Get solar Pv on yer roof. Buy a volt or leaf. & Go electric!
skippypa Champion Author Hawaii Posts:8,471 Points:1,739,955 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 6:22:11 AM Ignore skippypa Report Abuse Infrastructure??????
BBopp Champion Author Dayton Posts:6,834 Points:1,937,480 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 4:45:33 AM Ignore BBopp Report Abuse I was all for this group until the incentives were mentioned.
molebaby96 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:2,121 Points:504,415 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 4:19:55 AM Ignore molebaby96 Report Abuse Start making natural gas vehicles.
djgunrunner Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:10,094 Points:2,347,630 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 4:16:21 AM Ignore djgunrunner Report Abuse Anyone who does not promote Natural Gas at this time is not getting the real picture or is getting a better deal elsewhere not to. Lets start with obama.
kitty1750 Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,199 Points:470,675 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 2:38:14 AM Ignore kitty1750 Report Abuse No comment.
Bussman Champion Author Dallas Posts:5,513 Points:1,358,985 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 2:36:53 AM Ignore Bussman Report Abuse Let the market decide.
TIGERPAW46 Champion Author Florida Posts:7,120 Points:1,354,685 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 2:13:19 AM Ignore TIGERPAW46 Report Abuse I don't think more CNG [Compressed natural gas] vehicles are a good idea since they are much more daNGerous. If they can efficiently run them with LNG [Liquid NG] then that would be much safer & risk of explosion similar to usiNG gasoline.
kd5kpd Champion Author Texas Posts:3,731 Points:1,415,750 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:49:05 AM Ignore kd5kpd Report Abuse Just what is NOT needed, more handouts from the government (state or federal) that is funded with tax payers money.
GoGoGoodyear Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,049 Points:507,105 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:43:43 AM Ignore GoGoGoodyear Report Abuse State incentives "could" do this and "could" do that.... how about these 15 companies just invest their own money and see if the free market likes their idea or not? What these people are really after is to pocket the state incentive$ upfront, and if their business plan doesn't work out they can just declare bankruptcy and still get their bonuses. Another Solyndra in the making. The federal government has started a new trend which will be impossible to kill off.
LilRedWagonIN Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,771 Points:1,554,160 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:37:27 AM Ignore LilRedWagonIN Report Abuse Natural gas is the 'in' thing for articles. It's not 'in' my vehicle, though.
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tessnlu Champion Author Missouri Posts:24,238 Points:1,106,265 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:26:04 AM Ignore tessnlu Report Abuse Anxious to see how this turns out!
BM4225 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:10,114 Points:2,094,070 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:22:08 AM Ignore BM4225 Report Abuse Go ahead build the infrastructure, tax the gas a rate that it will be for the drivers price advantage, and at the same time the tax will pay for the infrasturcture over time.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,896 Points:2,131,605 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:19:54 AM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse OK
langolera Champion Author Akron Posts:1,756 Points:665,005 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:19:01 AM Ignore langolera Report Abuse why do they need an incentive??? the price of fuel will be incentive enough. they didn't mention how much they would save annually in fuel costs. duhhhhhhhhhhhh
roadrunnerMO Champion Author Kansas Posts:8,401 Points:1,698,490 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:14:54 AM Ignore roadrunnerMO Report Abuse Absolutely correct... new businesses should not have to be subsidized by the government. Washington has started something they cannot stop without a change at the top which is desperately needed.
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chillyman3 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,355 Points:423,640 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:13:49 AM Ignore chillyman3 Report Abuse get rid of oil dependent cars
mfeldstein Champion Author Ottawa Posts:8,166 Points:1,929,405 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:13:05 AM Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse Hydrogen fuel cells will win out in the end.
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captain013 Champion Author Maryland Posts:2,009 Points:457,680 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:10:15 AM Ignore captain013 Report Abuse Right. Gov should not be incentivizing big business.
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Bruno44 Champion Author Texas Posts:7,070 Points:1,767,220 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:08:23 AM Ignore Bruno44 Report Abuse Good point by RENEGADEGAS.
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RENEGADEGAS Champion Author Missouri Posts:14,906 Points:1,590,250 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:07:27 AM Ignore RENEGADEGAS Report Abuse They tried this before in the 90's and it failed.
jrcowell Champion Author Wichita Posts:2,274 Points:482,795 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:05:50 AM Ignore jrcowell Report Abuse As much as I support the use of natural gas, the "incentives from the state" language is a big turn-off.
Scoutca All-Star Author Orange County Posts:525 Points:1,585,535 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:05:33 AM Ignore Scoutca Report Abuse Too bad politicians want to wait until next year to consider it?!?! Still have 4 months in 2012. They on vacation until then or what??? Natural Gas is without a doubt cheaper, cleaner, and more abundant right now than anything else we are using to power our internal combustion engine! Time to get moving forward. Already use Natural Gas in many states ... just need to expand the ability for refueling options!!
REVLAW Champion Author San Antonio Posts:10,430 Points:2,006,270 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:05:15 AM Ignore REVLAW Report Abuse Sounds more like a collusion of corporate interests to promote the "cornering and control" of one aspect of the energy market in that state.
Ron77095 Champion Author Houston Posts:3,055 Points:601,700 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:04:23 AM Ignore Ron77095 Report Abuse What?
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kgbellman Champion Author Ann Arbor Posts:2,708 Points:730,865 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:00:18 AM Ignore kgbellman Report Abuse Someone has to push it
PetroScopper Champion Author Houston Posts:6,617 Points:1,549,000 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 1:00:04 AM Ignore PetroScopper Report Abuse Maybe it will work out down there and catch on throughout the rest of the country.
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:8,480 Points:1,670,195 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 12:59:46 AM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse This DOES NOT make SENSE! Read below for more!
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:8,480 Points:1,670,195 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 12:58:53 AM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse In reality... CNG and Propane are GREAT alternatives for FLEET vehicles in cities and with school buses, which all have a better opportunity to utilize the benefits. Both will require distribution centers... Fleet situations are perfect for this. Adding new tanks and distribution locations for personal vehicles are NOT FEASIBLE. In addition, it takes a special set up and training to pump this kind of fuel... it is NOT as simple as pumping Gas or Diesel! I worked in a school bus yard, I know the safety issues!
suicyco16 All-Star Author Phoenix Posts:576 Points:286,750 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 12:55:57 AM Ignore suicyco16 Report Abuse How about in AZ?
dky63 Veteran Author Illinois Posts:417 Points:166,965 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 12:48:29 AM Ignore dky63 Report Abuse CNG makes sense
preacherjohn Champion Author Modesto Posts:3,986 Points:1,918,805 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 12:48:20 AM Ignore preacherjohn Report Abuse Has been done many years ago by our neighbor.
59glide All-Star Author New Haven Posts:857 Points:1,049,005 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 12:47:14 AM Ignore 59glide Report Abuse GO CNG
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Beaveronparade Champion Author Hartford Posts:2,105 Points:634,300 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 12:46:14 AM Ignore Beaveronparade Report Abuse If it creates all those jobs then it sounds like a great thing to me.